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Don't let looks deceive you. It's funny you write about this topic because this is something someone else chewed me out for a few days ago on another popular gay site. I don't know about all those guys, but for a guy like myself, this is a reason we go for the guys that haven't gone to college. Let me explain: I personally have no college degree of any kind. I didn't have any family business handed down to me or anything like that. What I do have is experience as everything from a Janitor, a front desk clerk at a Bath House, an jail officer, a truck driver, as a houseboy, and more. One day while truck driving, I saw something pass me on the road and suddenly I had an idea... and that idea is what brought me to the work I do today (perhaps I should update my profile a bit lol) which pretty much turned me into an employer overnight. I couldn't win at the show "Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader", but I know how to clear $100K per year doing what I love doing. Haha, and no; it's not sex. Jokes aside, that's what I seek in a guy. I like finding someone that has a new, fresh way of thinking about or seeing a situation. I like someone that learned how to truly love and (MOST importantly) appreciate life because of the way he was brought up. For myself, it was being brought up pretty poor that shaped me. Again, I couldn't pass a simple high school grade test at this point probably, but oddly enough I can cook next to any chef all kinds of foods because of my mixed background, I can disassemble and reassemble ANY engine of any motorized vehicle in about 4 hours because growing up meant if I wanted something, I built it (same with computers too); I can sit in a car for 60 seconds and tell you the air pressure of each tire because I was the only mechanic my mom could afford (free), I can change a baby's diaper in 10 seconds or less (I'm the youngest of 7 and the only gay one so I was the babysitter), I can grow any vegetable and gut any animal properly, I can plumb and tile any bathroom in a few hours from nothing, and I can hear a song once and write it out, every instrument, every line, because I wanted to be a drummer growing up but my high school was too poor to afford new music, so I had to write it myself. If a guy looks past you to another, don't take it personally, and you don't have to be confused about it. This doesn't fit all of the guys you speak of, but it does fit several of them. Personally, I would actually say that I felt like you're too good for me; as in I know you would do just fine out there in the world without help if it came down to it. It took me a while to finally be as successful financially as I have always been emotionally (not rich but never having to check my balance before buying things is quite nice haha), and it took so long because I wasn't the normal college grad like many people expect to have to be these days. I was fortunate to get my shot at it, and that's the kind of guy I want to give a shot to.... not the "normal" guy that has the "normal" degree that any and every "normal" employer is looking for. "Normal"... this is a houseboy site. You won't find the "normal" kind of employer here.

In truth, this is a horrible way to get information. I can tell you that from the view of both a houseboy and employer. In truth, the only people that have the best things to say about a person are still with that person. Otherwise, it's just negative information, usually not true, that is spoken by some bitter guy that didn't get what he wanted. I have even noticed and replied to negative lies about employers that I have been a houseboy for before I became an employer myself. Only you can get the best "read" on a person for yourself. If a person impresses you enough, meet him. Don't send him money or anything like that which you could lose, but getting information about a guy in these forums is like dating someone based on tips from that person's bitter ex.

I was just browsing through these and couldn't believe the bullshit coming from your reply, brandonp. Your "facts" are quite shotty and from my guess, they must have turned you down and you're bitter or something. I used to be a houseboy (as you can see by the name) and even though we can't say our whole names in here, my first name is the same as your screen name (minus the p). I had a great time as a houseboy. The very first "job" I took was for the money, and ended up just liking it. I'm not cute, thin, a twink, or all that stuff, but I NEVER had a problem taking jobs for some of the hottest guys on this site. Some were great, and some were eh..., but it all was a lot of fun for me. I took my last job for a great guy in Midland, Texas that led me to a 3 year relationship (which no one was expecting). Just before that, though, I took on a position in Palm Springs, California for the very guy you're talking about in your response. Wants to cause harm? Lol, the "Ric" guy you're talking about is a submissive bottom. The other guy was the one that wanted a submissive bottom. He had his kinks or whatever, but he wanted a sex slave, not an actual slave. Trust me, I wouldn't have gone for the position otherwise (I'm black). When we met, the first thing he did was apologized for his use of the word "slave" in a screen name. I told him that I didn't see anything wrong with it since I was always more of a dominant top and understood. I was never forced into doing anything. I didn't even expect to have sex with the other guy but we did one night after a rather sweet evening together. He understood I hadn't been a bottom in quite some time and even took it slow for me. Back to Ric... this guy couldn't be more gentle without actually having a vagina. Lol I don't mean anything negative about him, I just mean he is perhaps the most kind and gentle soul I've met in this houseboy thing when I was a houseboy. He cooked for me, he always asked how I was feeling, and he helped me clean up even though that was really my job. He cared about his cats a lot, which was my only quirk because I don't like cats. I had my own bedroom. Both of these guys respected me enough that I NEVER had to lock my door. It was understood that sex happened if I invited it. I think for the other guy, I wasn't really his type even though we did have sex and for Ric, he was actually too submissive for my liking. I mean, I like a submissive guy that is a bit fem, but don't call it your pussy, yah know? Eventually, though, Ric and I actually became friends as we both realized we're both nerds that liked things like The View and Microsoft Flight Simulator (don't laugh). He asked me about growing up in a black/mixed family from Texas (yeah, I know... steers and queers, save it lol) and I asked him about Europe and all that. We cooked together and even discussed recipes. It was quite cool because sometimes I would say words or terms familiar in the U.S., and he would ask and I'd explain it to him. It was interesting seeing him coming to terms with living in the U.S. And I loved his accent Because the sex thing didn't work out with either of them, we all agreed I should leave. They gave me 30 days to find another houseboy position, but I had a plane ticket to my next position within 24 hours. They both seemed genuinely shocked and a little sad that I was leaving so soon and they even questioned me to make sure the guy was legit and all before letting me get on the plane. They gave me like $40 spending money and a few magazines to pass my time on the plane. Also to mention... I think the boyfriend's name was Bob or something like that. To be such a bad guy, he sure trusted me quite a bit... with his computers (with all his work info), and even let me drive his new Cadillac Escalade EXT (whatever the big one is called) by myself through town within the first few days of meeting. We even had conversations about cars (he likes GM, I like Subaru) and wine, oddly enough. He always bought me sushi on a daily basis because the first day there, I mentioned I liked it. He thought the idea of it was sick haha, but had a piece one day with me. And nearly threw up lol. HE was the dominant one, but he always called me by my first name or responded with "yes sir" or "no sir" and "please" and "thank you". He never yelled at me, although once I pissed him off about something and all he did was said he was disappointed at me (which made me feel worse than yelling could have done). Yes, one of his screen names had the word "slave" in it, but trust me when I say this; this guy was TERRIBLE at how he worded things, but ALWAYS ALWAYS meant well by it. All he wanted was a submissive bottom. We even discussed this and I did mention to him that I thought he should word his profile(s) better. Ric and I kept in touch. I know that they broke up, unfortunately, which sucked because I thought they were cool together. Quite different, the two. Nice and caring. I have no idea what happened to Bob (would love to hear from you again if you're reading this!!!) but Ric and I still chat. I may even be heading to California to meet up with him soon. He really was just a good friend. They both were. And the UPS store was owned by Bob, not Ric. He has nothing to do with that store as Bob was quite picky about that. Brandonp, get your facts right before trying to go after someone. You're talking about two guys that would have offered a great position for anyone. It wasn't a paid position, but I know I never went without. Now that they've broken up, I don't see any one of them on here hardly at all if ever, but don't make other guys in need miss a good opportunity just because of your bad experience or what ever happened. To anyone reading this; don't let anyone tell you about someone else. That's like dating a guy with tips from the dumped ex. Be smart. Don't send money (for any reason), don't send personal info, and let someone know where you are. I never agreed to meet someone unless I could confirm that a round trip ticket was purchased. I've never had to use the second part of a ticket, but it was my "just in case" to get home, or have a way back home just in case. Just don't be an idiot. I've found great houseboy situations and now in less than 30 days of paying for this site as an employer, I've found the absolute perfect houseboy. It's only difficult to have a good time on this site if you make it.

Thanks for the response, Notahouseboy. Just so you know, this is pipatatl. Since my last houseboy position, I figured I'd update my screen name to something a bit more fitting. Anyhow, I must say a few things. First of all, don't take anything I say on here to decide against being a houseboy. At this point, this site is just to pass time. Sometimes I'm on here once or twice a day checking emails and responding to forums, then other times, I'm not on here for months. Also, I have to say that being a houseboy is the reason I work for the sheriff's department now and have literally met the man of my dreams simply by chance while working my last houseboy positon. My life couldn't be better now, and I wouldn't have ended up where I am if it wasn't for the houseboy position. Additionally, my last actual houseboy position itself was great to me. From the pay, the availability of new cars to drive all the time, plus an unexpected sense of family warmth, it was just great. You say that " If someone tells you in a few short hours they are ready to move in 9 out of 10 it really isn't true." but I have to tell you, that's not true. I was a houseboy 3 times and the last position was the longest I've known a guy before moving in. Guess how long we knew each other? I met him in person about 36 hours after the first email. Every position I tried worked out. I saw each position as a job. I'm sure you can't name a boss you've had that you first chatted with and got to know for months before going for an interview. I'd hate to think that you read something I wrote on here (that I can't even remember writing) and have decided to not allow yourself to have the chances and experiences I was given. Houseboy positions are the reason I've lived everywhere from Palm Springs, CA to Key West, FL. However, I was smart about what positions I accepted and I was always true to myself, no matter how much I was offered as pay for services. When you stay true to yourself and you're not spending time figuring out who you are, it's a lot easier to see who the guy you're talking to is as well. I guess that's how I only picked guys that ended up perfect for me. You can't seriously take something written out of boredom to decide against what could end up being a HUGE part of your life. On the other hand... You mention things that busyman and I said to each other, and you have to remember that I've never met him. He's just a conversation online to me (as I'm sure I'm the same thing to him). It passes a few minutes in the day. That's it. Like I said, I don't even remember writing half of what was written, but I do know I was bored when I did. I don't know him and he doesn't know me and no one cares what we said to each other not even 5 minutes after reading what was written. You can't take what's written in here too seriously, "irregardless" (lol) of what was written. If I really thought he was a "danger" to houseboys, I would have called the cops rather than responded here. Thanks to my last houseboy position, all of my bills stayed paid during the recession, I enjoyed living in a huge house, but more importantly, I was taken in as part of the family and made to feel important. I was given a sense of reason and placement. I always had someone to lean on when I was sad or down and I always had a waiting ear when I wanted to scream about something cool that happened to me while I was in town doing my own thing. My experience as a houseboy was nothing like what you read in forums like this because I did my homework first, but my homework wasn't about what "my friend that uses this site" says or a forum said. My homework started with me looking inside. I made sure I knew myself and then settled for nothing less than my standards. No amount of money and no position is worth you selling out. Remember that and (if you do ever try to be a houseboy), you'll always find only the best positions and have fun too, but DON'T decide against giving the houseboy thing a chance because of something I wrote when I was bored to a guy I don't know. To call it hate, though, eh... I could see why you think that, but this isn't hate. It's just passing time. On a personal note: You said "don't we have enough people hating us being gay or bi men?". I'm not much older than you, but take it from someone that is openly gay working for a sheriff's department while holding my boyfriend's hand in grocery stores or sidewalks here in Texas; hate only works if you let it get to you. My life is mine and will be dictated by me, not by someone that doesn't like me. I appreciate what those before me have done towards and for gay rights, but it didn't get that way with people thinking any kind of discussion or disagreement was hate. Acknowledging differences is how changes happen. Plus I'm a young, openly gay black guy with a great career, new cars, the perfect boyfriend, the best family one could ask for, and more. You think I don't know what a hater is? Lol, don't try to tell me what hate is. Good luck to you man, but don't let stupid things sway you one way or another on decisions throughout your life.